Me and someone i know are debating on a base. His choice is a gigantiac highschool thats next to a really busy road that has a fence around the entire thing. But My choice is a slightly secluded Army, Marine Armory. Chain Link enamial fence topped with barbed wire, saftey glass with steeel grates, metal doors, gigantic parking lot, Gigantic parking lot filled with military vehicles, (mostly Humvee and trucks), supply room, and behiend a vault door is enough weapons to put away ALOT of zeds.

Assuming this is my bug-out-point - I'm going to go with the high school thats next to a busy road. -The army base is likely filled with, you know, soldiers who are not going to want to let me in. If they DO let me in, I'll likely be sitting in some sort of "safe area" within the base, and they won't let me play with all their fancy toys.... -the high school on the other hand is likely empty (school is likely out if a zombie apocalypse is occuring), and most people will be freaking out and flocking the malls, stores, police stations, etc. On top of that, the first area to be securing and cleared by law enforcement, military, etc. will be the roads as they will need to get around and receive supplies. Situated next to a major road will allow me to signal for help, have signs indicating live people, etc. Plus, most high schools will have at least one area that is easily secured and defended.

"malls, stores, police stations, etc" yea, most people are trying to stock up on food, there is no food in a high school and the school will be too big too be empty, zombies will get lost in the farther in rooms and there is no way of securing such a giant building because if 2 zombies break in on each side of the school you wont know about it until the first one finds you, then you will be looking for how he got in and by now 30 zombies could have gotten in by the other hole. Never go into a building because you saw a sign, there is no telling how long the sign has been there or if that person is still alive, if your going to use a sign put up the day and change it everyday, find a way to have it change able such as numerous signs that you can flip through to have the days of the month

"most people are trying to stock up on food" - exactly why I don't want to be there. The higher concentration of people, the more likely zombies will show up. If I had my choice, I wouldn't leave my house period for the first 4-6 weeks at all. " there is no way of securing such a giant building" - just thinking of the high school I went to, there would be no need to secure the entire building. I would pick one room, easily defendable, with secure exits. The high school I went to had a cafeteria on the second floor. It had 2 entrances, and one emergency exit (stairwell, already secured from the outside). It had windows, but again it was on the second floor so no need to secure those. In my opinion, neither of these options would be ideal, but if I had to choose I stand by my decision to go with the school.

ever heard of psychological warfare? you dont think that once they got inside your building the constant moaning and stench would make you go crazy? and I doubt you have bathrooms or a bed in the cafeteria, what do you have to amuse yourself with anyways? "The higher concentration of people, the more likely zombies will show up." That may be, but a majority of people who leave their hiding spot will die within the first day, meaning it cant be that crowded, and everyone that doesn't leave their spot will miss out on the food, water, weapons, and other various supplies. Showing up at a crowded grocery store isn't that bad, zombies will be there either way, but there will be other people that the zombies will focus on, like the smaller or slower people. the second floor means nothing when your building gets filled with zombies, you want to keep them as far away as possible because with time they will be able to get through any wall, and where will you be able to run to, the building will be filled and your emergency exit will be blocked by more zombies, food is essential and water is even more so, remember, there might not be running water or electricity

Me and wanna be have a destination in mind up in north dakota all we would need to do is build a fence and stock up on enough equipment to keep us stable for several months untill were ready to look for some more land.

I personally don't like either of these options and I will mention a few reasons why as well as some suggestions. When it comes to the school the issue of maintaining security for the entire building becomes a significant issue, you will need to have constant patrols witch will require a good deal of manpower and time witch could be better spent fortifying or finding food and water supplies, and similar things witch are important to your survival as well. Also how many students have been to this school? I feel it is safe to assume that many people also know of it and at least a few will be headed there. Now this my not necessarily be a problem but when you are dealing with people there are a lot of unknowns witch are best to be avoided. Also the fact that they will be a drain on your resources if they are unprepared. On the issue of the military base, yes there are a lot of nice toys but what are the chances you will be playing with them unless your conscripted? And whether or not you are conscripted say goodbye to your supplies and making your own decisions. You will likely have very little freedom left and I personally like to make my own decisions when it comes to survival. I would recommended finding a smaller less know building in a lower populated area preferably built form stone, brick or something similar with few windows but is still well ventilated (fire may become necessary for cooking or heat among other things). A smaller building is much easier to patrol and will save you a lot of precious time. Also take a look at some population density maps if you can find any they may help you find a more ideal location. Take things like food and water into consideration, they will become very important very quickly. A building with it's own well would be very beneficial and if the power goes out you can build a "bullet bucket" from pvc to retrieve the water. I could go on and on but those are just a few things I'll mention.

a military base could be completely empty if the military has been over run, but on the other hand, even if its not empty I would be able to use the toys because I am in the military and know how to properly use most all the weapons, but I agree, stay away from heavily populated areas, but a farm may be too far away, there will be no building nearby for you to retreat to

lol yea retreat from farm is pretty much a bad idea. but thats y its a farm lol hopefully not many Z's will come...

yea, but you know, its always nice to have a second place to stock up.... I think living in the trees with many little tree forts would be sick, like, having a dozen or so trees attatched with bridges... ahhh the dream

I don't really like the idea of using trees for something like that you'd be too dependent on them if they die or if there's a forest fire your in trouble (all it would take is a dry season and an idiot with a molotov). I think telephone poles would work well as a substitute, if the grid goes down you could just cut them down and build a stilt village. The lines could be useful as well. Just an idea.

hmm, never thought of that before, but it seems like alot of work, I'll most likely go and find a small town to live out of

I would go to Alaska because it is too cold for zombies to survive there. Or i would go to Iceland

How do you know it is too cold for zombies to survive? Show me your proof.

have you ever seen a picture of Iceland?? http://elementaryteacher.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/iceland.jpg

Ummm... I have been to Iceland. Greenland is colder.

Resident Evil Extinction they all go to alaska except for Alice and 2nd ZSG by Max Brooks says that they would be frozen

Anyone who has the Zombie Survival Guide can go to page 135 and read Tundra

traveling so far is going to be a huge pain if the worlds full of zombies you know

not if you have the right group and fire power

2nd ***** by ***** ***** says that they would be frozen (why and who did that?)

austincarpenter81: Resident Evil Extinction they all go to alaska except for Alice and 2nd ***** by ***** ***** says that they would be frozen

First - I am a Veteran and have been through immense training. Even with all of my training it would be excruciatingly difficult to make such a journey on foot against millions of zombies with the small numbers of my group IF I were lucky to have a group. There is no possible means to have that much fire power unless the entire Armed Forces is following us supplying our ammunition as we travel. With this thought, I will remind you that this is highly unlikely. Second - Resident Evil is a video game turned into a Hollywood Production. All that happens on the movie can not be classified as proof since it is all for entertainment purposes. As for bringing the idea of why they went to Alaska - I will give you a heads-up. A: The military has always been creating and planning structured defensive posts and systems in Alaska, ever since we bought it from Russia we have been gearing that state up. It is secluded, so it would be more difficult to fid or stumble upon a defensive structure. That gives to hope for military force being available. B: Most of Alaska's well-off communities are only accessible by aircraft. Meaning filtration of numbers. It is not that a zombie cant get to the location, it is just highly difficult to get there. When they do come through they will be too little in numbers causing easy means of defense. Have another look at the state's map. http://dnratwmlwims01.dnr.state.ak.us/navwatersmap/ C: The communities out in the middle of nowhere like that are normally self sufficient. Not to add that Alaska is one of the few states that has an abundance of natural resources to create a thriving base of operations, or to just call home.

austincarpenter81: Anyone who has the Zombie Survival Guide can go to page 135 and read Tundra

The shear mention of this book makes me want to find you and snuff your pet out of existence. Those of you who do not know me will shortly learn that I have an uncontrollable rage against that author and said book. James Rascal found that out a few evenings ago and was having fun filtering the mention of said book. Since I have not specified my reasons for rage of the book and said author, I will go ahead and post why exactly I urge all members posting here not to use said book for an example or for discussing strategy. It is in fact better to just throw it into your camp fire next time you go camping and just forget about it. First, nothing angers someone as much as when they are discussing, seriously, the beginnings of a plague that could wipe out human existence as we know it, only to have someone come in and mention how the virus already exists and is named "Solanum". This is like Professors discussing time travel possibilities only to have a student in on the first day of class smugly state that "time travel machines already exist "The Time Machine" by H. G. Wells proves it." There is nothing quite like someone jumping in and killing a good conversation with ignorance. First the ignorance of the fact that the book that the "fact" is quoted from, is fiction, secondly it insults the intelligence of the person that began the conversation. Second, there is not a single part of the book that was original, which makes the book fail even that much more since it is suppose to be fictitious. You may think that the name to the virus was original, however it is not. It is the alternate name to a poisonous plant also know as the "Nightshade" or "Poison Berry". Most of the book was a twist of a normal survival guide mixed with ill researched information on equipment. Not to add the fake zombie attacks that were real epidemics that I witnessed first hand. Third, the book was created for every-day average people however doesn't include any average information, like how a house's plumbing could turn into an effective spear, or how a person could use any of their other house-hold items to survive a Zombie Apocalypse. Nothing of great value can be learned from that book looking at it from a civilians perspective. If anything of value was learned, it was to unknowingly commit suicide for following a comedian's instructions. So let me ask, since I presume you are well acquainted with the book, why would you go cold instead of going to an oilrig like he stated was a better selection?

You make a very good point and because i just thought that they would freeze. I never thought of it like that. And in RE extinction they all go to Alaska. I wouldnt go to an oil rig because i dont kno any one who can fly a heli except for Ellis and who ever else who is in the military. I didnt think of said book like that. Won't mention said book and said authour again my bad. I had a feeling that book would get me in trouble or an argument some day. Won't mention it again.

We are better to not assume anything. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

ahhh

being what it is the guide does only thing thing truly... and that is bring new people into the zombie community and it is our duty to teach these peaople how to learn new things about the zombie virus and how to survive it.... in that manner i have a farm set up that wil be my base. i have tyo many details to do right now so if u seek me out i wil ltell all.

There are a lot of assumptions flying around here, I think I shall start construction on an airport... Also, please tell me you are not basing any of your zombie knowledge off of the presumptions of a failed comic writer. If any of you haven't noticed, the ZSG is found in the HUMOR section of your book store for a reason, it's a joke, and the funny part is that nobody is laughing. I will be the first to admit, I bought the book, and have read it from cover to cover, though it has taught me nothing, most of the tactics in that book are pretty much common sense, and some of the things are just plain stupid. I have even gone so far as to go to a meet and greet where the author Max Brooks was, and he tried his best to dodge some of the questions I had for this self proclaimed expert on zombies. The only good I see coming out of the purchase of that book is now my bookshelf is level, since I placed my copy of the ZSG under it. If zombies ever do walk the earth, and society as we know it ceases to exist, I will be taking that book out once again, so I have some paper to start fires with to keep warm, or to heat food. If you are interested in a survival guide, I would strongly suggest either getting a hold of a military training manual, or a boy scout's guide, as these contain actual fact based knowledge. I don't know about any of you, but every time someone brings up Max Brooks, or either of his two wastes of paper, I get this sudden urge to punt puppies.

personally i would just do the blimp thing. stock up, lay anchor on a remote island and snipe it clean. use it for food and water, sleep in the blimp.

"i dont kno any one who can fly a heli except for Ellis and...." I never claimed to know how to fly a heli, I am in the military, but so are a few other members, and as far as I know, we dont have any members that know how to pilot anything

I am not a licensed pilot, however I know how to fly a single engine aircraft. Flying a helicopter is fairly simple, it is just turning it on that is the hard part. Even then the manuals are normally in the cockpit... Well, at least they were for the military aircraft.

My bad I dont know the military all that well i shouldnt have made assumptions My apologies to Ellis and NIE and whoever else is was in the military

No reason to apologize. Just stating the truth. Majority of military members will know most about the following 3 common subjects: Weapons, Women, Alcohol. There are a few who know more about other stuff like flying aircraft and such.

Oh thanks hey uh do you or Ellis know of a eh never mind ill private message you

Alright.

we also know alot about cigarettes... after training we always drink and smoke at the end to relax and have fun

Yeah I'm afraid to go into the military. I cant hold 20 push ups that's sad. But I can do 100 crunches under 2 min

Crunches are women's form of sit ups. You have to kiss your knees.

Oh

Don't worry about it. If you want to join, join. They will whip you into shape at boot. The only thing is that you have to have immense willpower to keep moving forward instead of giving up. That is the true challenge.

Thks I probally will. Do they accept GEDs

Yes they do I joined up with my GED. the trick is passing the ASFAB I did vary well on that however and my GT score came out at a 116. Back on topic. A large Prison. You have areas you can grow food in. Most of them have wells allready in place allong with generators and purification and sanitation systems as well. They have walls and in most cases towers that shooters can be set up on. After a couple of months of widespread infection it would be fairly simple to clean out a prison as most of the innmates would ether be dead from starvation or zombifyed. The only issue would be desposle of the bodys. Most prisons have outdoor sections seperated by walls one of these areas can have some of the wall removed then the center cratored a couple of times to create a burn pit the section of wall that was removed will allow a dump truck to bring in bodys for disposel. A diffrent section of wall can be removed in another area then a gate of some kind can be implaced for a moterpool unless there is allready one set up for the prison. al in all I think that a prison would be a prime location for a base of operations and a good place to run missions out of while not compromising your safety while you sleep.

what about a huge network of prisons, all helping each other out, a system allowing for a hugely strong base so you can "hunt" in peace and even "mop" the surrounding countryside. of course you'd have to make sure the other prisons don't just shaft you. but if organized these could be places for the military to take temporary shelter from the hordes. and could be the factor that wins the war.

I posted this in the "where would you go section, but i tihnk it belongs in here now. Basicly i said that the best place to go would be a vertical liftt bridge. a vertical lift bridge is a type of bridge that is able to lift its mid section really high in the air in order for boats to go underneath it. This is a good place to go because the control box is in a house on top of the bridge. and you can control yourself up and down. saying the zombies cant climb. and if they can you just have scouts that take turns just shooting them off. or put razor wire going up it. also, all you need to do is Store a bunch or food in moterhomes and park them on the bridge, and lift it up. also, you can get boats and park them near the bridge, and put a rope ladder leading down to the boats. this way, you have your main base on top of the bridge, completly unharmed by zombies, and once you need more space, you can get more boats, like barges and houseboats, and put them underneath the bridge. And you can get normal speedboats or fishing boats to drive around to neerby ports along the riverside and loot the places. not only that, but you can fish the river. and saying the water doesnt get poluted... LOTS of water for you to drink, and shower. This is a very extended version of what i said in the "where would you go" post.

i think there should be something that just looks like a house, but really in the basement there is a air-tight door, which leads to a series of tunnels, to the place you keep food, ammo, weapons, ect. they can't really get to you if air can't get to you, which is why the door should be air-tight. and just in case something should happen, there should be an emergency exit, and it should all be rigged to blow up at the push of a button

actually, now that i look back, the prison thing sounds like a good idea

Yeah maybe make the fences electrified. And also maybe make a 6 ft. moat with lye in it. That sh*ts stronger than sulfuric acid.

thats alot of lye, where are you going to get it all?

my ideal base would be something to complicated for a zombie to enter like, the entrance is at the end of a maze that i know like the back of my hand

I have my resources meaning I know where to get a big supply of it if I need it.

thats cool, maybe we could put tunnels in the prison, or if any of us get RICH some day, buy an island, turn it into a private island, and make it so that everyone from zesst can get on, and it would be ideal, what are the odds that zombies can swim?

[what are the odds that zombies can swim?] they can't swim they would walk on the bottom until they found food.

I am staying in my home. It is a brick three story building, that use to have a car repair garage on the first floor. It's set up as: First floor: 3 car port garage, 20'x25' storage room (I use for large camping and yard work, and general storage), Office (I use for my wood storage, for the fire places), and bath room. Second floor: Pantry/survival supplies (Enough freeze dried, MRE's, can, dried, 2 freezers = 7500+ meals @ 2 meals/day enough fro 20 people for 6 months), Den (My man cave - T.V., 2 computers, 2 gun safes, guns, compound bow), Gym (spin bike, weights and bench, tread mill, heavy and speed bags, pull up bar, dumb bells), and bath room with shower. Third floor: Kitchen, Living room, 2 bed rooms, roof hatch. Other features: First floor - elevator first to third floor, 8000 watt propane generator (1000# tank), steel garage doors, steel doors (with no windows), triple pane windows threw out, steel bars on all first floor windows, 6 video cameras, alarm system (whole building), steel gates that can be pulled and locked from the inside of the three garage doors 2 septic tanks, 2 wells, and 12 batteries (with AC converter, connected to the power system). Second floor - Steel door, 1/4" steel shutters on all windows with slits, and fire place. Third floor - Fire place, 1/4" steel shutters, steel door, roof hatch and ladder. Roof - 4 3'x4' solar panels, 4 9' width wind turbines (both hooked to the batteries), and escape ladder. Out side - 4 50 gallon water collecting barrels, large garden, 20 face cord of wood, chicken hutch (20 chickens), rabbit hutch (4 rabbits), and 6' chain link fence with remote electric opening gate (powered by its own 2'x3' solar panel and 3 car batteries). I have a second location, I recently purchased a cabin in the U.P., or Michigan. It is a three bedroom cabin/house, on 100 acres. I will better prepare it this summer. My third location is my aunts home in southern IL. I have a storage shed filled with MRE's, water, first aid, and etc., there and ready now. My fourth is in Northern Florida. Basically the same as my third.

What if zombies didnt sink, but instead drifted like wood on the surface of the water?

i live in sydney so i am going to the center point tower 30 storys up and only one staircase it wont be that hard to protect and it is agreat vantage point to see all zombie activity and maybe pick some off with our guns

That could damage your propellers after a while. In larger ships it could be devistating to the ship.